The Iowa Independent - Latest Comments in Secrets of the American Future Fund

Re: Secrets of the American Future Fund

Peggy2 — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:26:38 -0000

"So what in God's own name have you and your little scurrying buddies been blathering about for the last five days?"

Start at the beginning and re-read the posts. We called Ia Indy on their hypocrisy. Jason's story really didn't say much other than to pontificate to a conservative group about something he himself is guilty of by being associated with this covert website.

And I just noticed Chase didn't write the article, Jason Hancock did. Apologies to both.

Re: Secrets of the American Future Fund

Guardian32 — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:54:42 -0000

Can't let that one pass ...
"Iowa Independent doesn't like AFF because of what they stand for and because they're beating them at their own game. Other than that, there's really no meat to this story."
Really? So what in God's own name have you and your little scurrying buddies been blathering about for the last five days?
And you can bet your sweet patoot that I at least (can't speak for the Independent) don't like what the AFF and its congeners stand for - they're a stench in the nose of civilization.

Re: Secrets of the American Future Fund

Peggy2 — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:13:20 -0000

Iowa Independent doesn't like AFF because of what they stand for and because they're beating them at their own game. Other than that, there's really no meat to this story.

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Peggy2 — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:02:52 -0000

You know, I didn't even post that much on this particular thread so WHERE are you getting all this stuff about bashing and name-calling?

You are the one who's overly sensitive.

Re: Secrets of the American Future Fund

Peggy2 — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:54:47 -0000

Quitter. (=

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Guardian32 — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:54:26 -0000

You know, Peggy, it's becoming obvious that the one thing you DON'T want to talk about is the content of the article, and the AFF itself.
As a result, you're starting to bore me - and I'm sure we're both boring a lot of other people who have much better things to do than listen to the rattle of a closed mind (Yours? or mine? - who cares. We're talking past each other...). So -
Have a nice day, and always remember - today is the very next day of the rest of your past.

Re: Secrets of the American Future Fund

Guardian32 — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:39:10 -0000

"I call you gutless because you don't use your real name to post, so this is quality is not limited to you but everyone who posts here who does the same."
Including you, Peggy2.
" What's to stop me from posting under several different face names?"
The fact that we've registered with the site.
"It's compromises the debate and it's dishonest."
Only you could have called the name-calling and smears a debate.
"That points you listed from Chase's AFF article were never disputed by me, were they?"
Gee gosh, no - you were too busy bashing to ever address them.
"AFF is obviously working to further Republican ideals"
God help us, those are "ideals?" Horton? Swift Boats? I think the term I'm looking for is "morally and ethically bankrupt"
"- so it's not going to be an earth-shattering scandal to point out to people that they're....Republicans."
No, Peggy (or should I call you by your last name - 2?), it's not an earth-shattering scandal. So why are you so disturbed by it? For the rest of us, it's just more of the same old same old.
By the way Ms 2, the four principles of propaganda that got under your skin weren't, in the beginning, intended as a comment on you, but rather on the AFF, that great idealistic Republican Truth Machine.
A little sensitive, aren't we?
Sincerely,
Ms 32

Re: Secrets of the American Future Fund

Peggy2 — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:51:21 -0000

Chase's lie:

Posted by Peggy2:
"King has declined to participate in a forum sponsored by The Sioux City Journal and League of Women Voters because he is upset with a story The Journal published about the level of his effectiveness in Congress." [ quoting a D. Burns article]

Another classic case of spin by Doug Burns.

Chase's reply:
"Nope, not spin. Steve King gave that as his reason for declining the Sioux City Journal's forum. "

Peggy2's dissection of the spin:
Again, Burns purposefully misleads his readers with what he gives as King's reason for not debating, i.e. the Journal questioned his effectiveness, when he knows full well there was a cheap shot printed in that article and King thought it was below the belt for the Journal to include it.

So, Burns lied and Chase repeated his lie.

Re: Secrets of the American Future Fund

Peggy2 — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:34:04 -0000

Continued..... (sorry about all the typos above, and the multiple posts - not sure what happened!)

"purposefully misleading" - you're qutoing me directly here but taking it out of context. I said this outfit's name, Iowa Independent, is purposefully misleading but you tried to tie it to disclosures of funding. ???

"WHERE precisely did Chase lie?", you ask. I don't see where anyone has accused him of lying - on this thread. But he did lie on one of the other threads. But maybe he-and you-would call it spin. I call it lying. I'll find it and post it here.

YOU are the one who first accused others of lying so the burden of proof is on you, my friend.

Re: Secrets of the American Future Fund

Peggy2 — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:21:30 -0000

You're right, these questions aren't hard at all; I'll just start from the top and pick them off one-by-one:

That points you listed from Chase's AFF article were never disputed by me, were they? I'll go back to my point from several days ago - AFF is obviously working to further Republican ideals so it's not going to be an earth-shattering scandal to point out to people that they're....Republicans.

I call you gutless because you don't use your real name to post, so this is quality is not limited to you but everyone who posts here who does the same. What's to stop me from posting under several different face names? It's compromises the debate and it's dishonest.

You deny calling me a Nazi but then say, "if the shoe fits." Need I say more?

Lies? I won't address posts made by other commentors because I don't have access to their brains and their information but I'll dissect what I said:
"immoral, corrupt liberals" - this is in reference to a group of journalists operating under the title Center for Independent Media, whose name conjurs up visions of righteous, idealistic journalists, when, in reality, as has been proven here, they are liberals and they're activists, plain and simple. This website, their careers, the entire endeavor is based on deception of the public.

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Peggy2 — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:21:27 -0000

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Peggy2 — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:21:24 -0000

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Re: Secrets of the American Future Fund

Guardian32 — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:17:03 -0000

Peggy -
Just to make it nice and easy for you, in case your logical faculties have been drained by your own propaganda:
Chase says AFF exists. True or False?
He says it's sponsoring advocacy ads in several races across the nation. True or False?
He says that its roster of luminaries includes Schlinger, Albrecht, Kochel, Ginsberg, McCarthy, et al, some of whom have roots in the Iowa Republican establishment. True or False?
He said there's a pending ethics complaint against the IFF and the Minnesota DFLP has filed an FEC complaint against the AFF. True or False?
This could go on forever, but you get my drift, don't you, Pegeen? Put up or shut up - these questions aren't very hard, you know.
What's bugging you really? What was it that Chase said that you REALLY didn't want anybody to know?

Re: Secrets of the American Future Fund

Guardian32 — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:50:42 -0000

Oh Please!!!
All I need is your latest to make my case
"Gutless Guardian" - sounds to me like an ad hominem attack - no debate here, just call her names and smear,smear,smear

"Is everyone who skunks you in a debate a Nazi?" - Nobody said that, but if you use their "argumentative" techniques, and if the shoe fits ... Oh, and how do you read "skunked" into anything so far?

"Re #4...what lie are you referring to?" Well, we have conniving Chambers of Commerce (prove it, or shut up), behind-the-scenes corrupt and immoral liberals (prove it, or shut up), "purposefully misleading" disclosures of funding (show me where, or shut up) and a whole series of verbal shotgun blasts (who knows, maybe something will stick...), just because you don't like what a blog (whether independent or dependent, doesn't matter) says about a group that seems near and dear to your shriveled little heart. YOU tell me, WHERE precisely did Chase lie? Stop smearing, and start dealing with facts, if you still have any memory of what one looks like.

"There is a total disconnect in your arguments. Produce the lie in your opposition's remarks on this thread." - And THAT is my challenge to you.

You have now succeeded in using every single one of the techniques I mentioned, in a very purposeful attempt to distract from the statements in the article.

Q.E.D. sweet Peggy, Q.E.D.

Re: Secrets of the American Future Fund

Peggy2 — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 01:48:27 -0000

Gutless Guardian,
Is everyone who skunks you in a debate a Nazi?

Re #4...what lie are you referring to?

There is a total disconnect in your arguments. Produce the lie in your opposition's remarks on this thread.

Re: Secrets of the American Future Fund

Guardian32 — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:37:35 -0000

Standard Republican thuggery - techniques dating back to Nixon, and before him, to Goebbels.
1) If you can't deny the facts, attack the source
2) If you shout loudly enough, people might believe you
3) If I say it ten times, and you only say it once, I win.
4) "A lie can stride across the world, before Truth has put on its boots"
Good to see there are some Iowa Republicans with a true sense of history, who are able to exercise their God-given right to malignant idiocy.

Re: Secrets of the American Future Fund

Peggy2 — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:03:39 -0000

My bad! I didn't scroll down far enough.

Re: Secrets of the American Future Fund

chasemartyn — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:55:37 -0000

Peggy,

Stories are sorted chronologically on the front page. This story is still on it. I'm not sure what your point is. We're a daily news site. We update our front page with news a lot.

Re: Secrets of the American Future Fund

Peggy2 — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:50:28 -0000

Chase,

When's the last time you had 28 comments on a story?

It's strange that you moved this off the front page so quickly.

Re: Secrets of the American Future Fund

Peggy2 — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:43:07 -0000

If the Iowa Independent is so independent, why is their link posted on the Bleeding Heartland, an Iowa "blog for Democrats", under the group "Iowa liberal blogs?"

Even Democrats don't think this website is impartial!

Re: Secrets of the American Future Fund

Peggy2 — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:32:40 -0000

Quoting Chase Martyn from 1 day ago (post below):
"We are a nonpartisan, progressive organization, and we make no attempt to cover it up."

First, 'nonpartisan progressive' is an oxymoron.

Second, the difference between Iowa Independent and the AFF is that one is a journalistic outlet and the other is a political activist group. By your very nature, you are to maintain impartiality, not try to mold and shape the news to fit your liberal agenda.

And your name - Iowa Independent - is purposefully misleading!

Re: Secrets of the American Future Fund

Peggy2 — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:07:07 -0000

Quoting IA Indy contributor Dana Boone from www.browniowa.com re Obama's caucus victory in Iowa:

"We did it! Iowans showed up and did their part! Now it's up to the rest of the states to keep it going! We set it off! Victory!!!"

Re: Secrets of the American Future Fund

chasemartyn — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:03:34 -0000

Because nearly all of the comments below were left by the same two people (who were using different assumed names and re-posting the same text multiple times), we have begun to require account registration for commenters. We have no intention of censoring comments, but we do have an interest in preserving our site as an honest forum for discussion of news and analysis.

As for the criticisms lodged below, all I can say is that nothing has been said to criticize the actual content of this story or any other story. If you feel that we have written something unfair, respond to our stories with specific complaints and not general indictments of us as people. We make it clear where we are coming from, and we do our best to treat everyone fairly, even when they have a different point of view. We will respond well to complaints when they are lodged respectfully, and we hope you will continue to participate in our site.

Re: Secrets of the American Future Fund

Captain Obvious — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:03:55 -0000

Wow! And the comments go quiet after Fair and Balanced b*tch slaps Iowa Independent...nice work