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Re: Sebelius Alludes To Race Factor; GOP Reacts

Netter — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:25:28 -0000

Global infatuation with messiah-Obama is a very Real and Present danger especially in the middle of an middle-east war. Let Obama "cure" in Senate a few more years. At least until the war is over.

"Obama is the product of a brief early-60s college romance and short-lived marriage between a black African exchange student and a white liberal Kansan who met at the University of Hawaii. His critical boyhood years--from two to ten--were spent neither in white nor black America but in the teeming streets and jungle outskirts of Djakarta. Obama's boyhood experiences in Indonesia--where his mother took him when she married another foreign exchange student--propelled him toward a worldview well beyond his mother's liberalism." ---http://www.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/archive/barackobama/

Project Vote is a front for Acorn:
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-claims...

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connielaw — Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:22:50 -0000

You sound very foolish. First of all, you do not know the dynamics of Obama's family. Therefore, you cannot speak to it. Secondly, your reference to Hussein Obama gives away your true feelings and your bias. Therefore, your opinion is worth very little to me. As for this independent voter, I will vote for Obama.

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NOMUSLIM — Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:41:27 -0000

Are you serious?The Obama family is going to help the middle class?Yeah , sure.Obama has a step brother living in a slum in Africa(I believe Nigeria) and where is Hussein Obama in this peasants' life? Why has your great saviour Mr. O not helped his poor step brother?Mr. and Mrs.O are millionaires.If they will not help their own peasant relatives do you believe that he cares about you or me?Stop drinking the Koolaid brewed up by the Democrat machine.The Democrat machine makes sure the poor stay poor so that the poor will vote Democrat.The Democrat machine keeps racism alive so that they can rally the naive peasants who vote Demoncat.Grow up.

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NOMUSLIM — Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:30:48 -0000

Well, the simplest explanation for 'normal American' would be Palin and what Palin represents to most Americans.Achievement oriented and Pro America.Obama(Hussein Obama) has a suspicious past which he does not discuss.He is the typical Anti American disguised as normal.I cannot relate to him nor can I relate to the values he states.Obama is sneaky and speaks with a forked tongue.Remember when Obama would not wear a flag pin?Is that normal?No.He is anti gun ownership but he lies about his position.Normal?No. Just say No to this deceitful politician.

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connielaw — Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:41:25 -0000

Where are we going to get the 85 billion promised to AIG, 700 billion asked for by Bush to by bad debts that have made the wealthy wealthier, billions currently being paid for the Iraq war, billion promised Georgia, etc. In less than 1 month we are over a trillion dollar in debt and more coming. And you are worried about Obama's plan to help the average American? Be for real. Obama is not the problem, but maybe he can help fix the problem. I do know one thing, McCain is not the answer. I prefer to risk my future and my children's future with someone who has come up from the bottom and understand the lower and middle class (Obama and Michelle) then someone who has always lived as an upper class (McCain and Cindy) and have a focus on maintaining their wealth and the wealth of their friends. Maybe, just maybe America's middle class will survive the depression that will surely come. Because my friend, America is bankrupted and when one is bankrupt there is nothing to do but start over again. Remember the great depression.

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WMason — Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:34:17 -0000

So let me get this straight. We're talking about people who would otherwise vote for Obama because they agree with him on the issues. Wouldn't those people be democrats? A conservative wouldn't vote for Obama if only he were white. So we're talking about democratic or liberal racism. Just wanted to make sure we understand the claim Sibelius is making; she was a little fuzzy on that little detail.

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jadedblakman — Sat, 20 Sep 2008 07:52:47 -0000

what constitutes a "normal" American? Please elaborate.

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rightross — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 03:30:08 -0000

Punk,

I will acknowledge my cynicism. I think cynicism is warranted in light of the condition of the American political scene today. It seems that the overall tone of politics in Washington is "hatred" rather than philosophical disagreement. Set aside the hatred and the philosophical disagreement is so wide that Republicans and Democrats can agree on almost nothing and the rare ocasions on which they do "seem" to agree always have some nefarious ulterior motive involved.

Both parties are guilty of it but, in my view, the democratic party and its leadership have literally "written the book" on that kind of politics for quite a while. A long with that, they have adopted a political philospohy that is changing America into a country that I don't think Washington, Jefferson, or Lincoln would even recognize if they were alive today.

American is becoming a divided country, 1.5 million children are being aborted every year in favor of blatant and uncontrolled immorality and the rejection of simple, common decency. Homosexuality and pornography of the most vile sort are becoming part of the fabric of our society and defended, primarily by democrats, as being acceptible and even right. The schools and universities in this country are indoctrination centers for leftist philosophy and the majority of students come out of those schools ilequipped to think critically about much of anything other that maneuvering "Mario" through to the next level, the proper use of a condom, or how to handle single parenthood at 15.

Nearly 20 million people are living in this country illegally and there are few people in the government who seem to really believe that there is anything wrong with it inspite of the obvious list of negative consequences that this is causing all over the country.

We are in the middle of a culture war, a war we didn't start, didn't ask for, and must win, with radical Islam that involves the death of thousands of Americans and the country cannot set aside partisan politics even in this extremely critical time, in order to win this war. Democratic politicians, in order to gain political advantage, have undermined virtually every aspect of the war although they know the war is legitimate and necessary because they vote to fund it.

Even in this banking crisis, the political posturing to win an election is going to take precedence over finding a solution to it. In fact, the very reason it happened is because political advantage is the priority, not the welfare of the country.

This country is becoming something that is hard to defend and I put about 90% of the blame for that, at least in the political sense, squarely on the shoulders of the Democratic party for having adopted Modern Liberalism and Moral relativism as their underlying foundation.

Barack Obama is the "poster child" for who and what they are and if you like this guy, I really think that you are an ignoramous - there really isn't anything about this guy, other than an image, that is of any substance. He simply hasn't lived a life that indicates any degree of depth and yet millions of Americans admire him - am I cynical? - you bet.

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1911 — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:00:14 -0000

I’m glad to see you fess up that you’re a LIBERAL, really I don’t care if you’re a liberal but I just wished you people would be honest up front. It’s taken 2 or 3 times for me to get you to admit your left leaning ways but in America that is permitted, just as it should be. Obviously you don’t know who I support because as I said before I’m a Conservative and John McCain is a moderate, which I consider worse than a Liberal because they are so wishy-washy. I have jumped on the bandwagon though but it’s because of his running mate, which I understand makes your blood boil. That’s ok because your guys make me sick at the thought they could be P & VP, oh the horror.

But you are wrong again, I do know what policies you support by reading your post and then your reply about who you’re supporting, which is obama, am I wrong?

As far as the obscene name calling I’m sorry that happened to you, we can have a discussion without going down that road but even though you weren’t obscene you did call me “absurd”. To be honest with you I did call you a, “LIBERAL”, which in my world is not a good word but I didn’t curse you, at least with normal cuss words.

As far as your last line, Jesus said teach them to be fisher of men and they can teach someone else to fish, which means they will be self-sufficient and not being a burden on someone else or society. Do you really think he was telling them to catch fish and give it away? Interpret the entire Bible not just part of it.

As far as McCain's tax cuts he advocating the same as obama is now, remember obama said since the economy is sluggish he won't rescind the Bush Tax Cuts. Now if it's bad to tax now why is it good to tax even more when things are better. I believe we are paying enough taxes now, our problem is not that the government is taxing us to little it's they're spending too much. Can you write an unlimited amount of checks on your checking account without having the funds in the bank to cover the checks, I THINK NOT?

I've answered a few of your questions but so far you've passed on answering any of mine-hummm.

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punnk — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:30:41 -0000

More propaganda from 1911, shocking. Although, I will have to say that I really do admire your passion and wherewithal on the matter.

So what is McCain proposing for tax cuts again?

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punnk — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:26:10 -0000

I will concede with your point, although I think it is very cynical. I
don't claim to know Obama's intentions in sponsoring and/or
co-sponsoring bills and I don't think you can honestly claim the same
either.

A person's record is just one of the many factors we should consider
when throwing our support behind a candidate. In my opinion, being in
the senate and doing little to nothing is worse then being there and
over actively participating.

The argument could be made for either side I suppose and in the end it's
up to the individual interpretation. I choose to believe in Obama. You
don't.

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1911 — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:15:55 -0000

I don't know if anyone is paying attention to what's going on with the Markets today but if obama gets elected and then gets his way there will be billions upon billions of new government spending. Where will this money come from, let me educate you a little-the RICH-cannot carry the US all by itself so where will the extra money come from, you guessed it- you and me. We've heard this story before, you know the one, I'm going to give the middle class a tax break only to be told 2 months later that I've worked harder on this problem than any other problem I've ever had and we can't afford a tax cut so I'm going to raise your taxes.

Don't believe what they say, educate yourself on what they've done and voted for, only then will you know them and what they stand for.

What does a democrat and a tax break have in common-------------------------------NOTHING--------------------honest discussions about tax breaks is not in their vocabulary.

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punnk — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:13:13 -0000

I am not ashamed of who I am. If I did, I would not waste my time on a comments section of a message board that is very obviously populated with pro McCain posters. I am here and I am defending the candidate I support. You can try to define me if you wish but you have no idea what policies I support.

This is laughable. I was called an asshole after my initial post not to mention a lot of other names. Bring it on though, I've taken on tougher.

If the Framers would be rolling over in their graves what do you think Jesus would be doing?

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Iowajayhawk — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:40:23 -0000

If you notice the only people bringing up the race issue are the libs. Could it be that maybe Obama is not the best choice. I grew up in the 60's and it blows me away that the "love" generation is some of the ugliest people. Why can't people disagree? For one, I don't want the USA to become a socialist country which seems to be the way the libs are going. The less government the better.

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ragnarb — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:57:37 -0000

The standard percentage I read, and hear, is 92%!

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ragnarb — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:54:14 -0000

As republicans are voting against Obama because they detest his views, we must assume those that vote against him because of his race are racist democrats.

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calebNC — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:31:31 -0000

Check out the video about Obama here :
http://www.calebgrace.com
He is VERY dangerous ..... Please research these candidates for your self ....
More videos about Obama right here :
http://www.youtube.com/user/StudentsofAmerica
http://www.youtube.com/user/VetsForFreedomVideo
Unreal ..... How Obama has made it this far is scary and his party is showing their true colors ....
Please research the TRUTH before you VOTE in November !!!!!
and thanks to chris for this post ......
>What do the top ten cities with the highest poverty rate "all" have in
> common? Answer: Democrat leadership.
>
>
> Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican
mayor since 1961;
>
> Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954;
>
> Cincinnati, OH (3rd)... since 1984;
>
> Cleveland, OH, (4th)... since 1989;
>
> Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican Mayor;
>
> St. Louis, MO (6th).... since 1949;
>
> El Paso, TX (7th) Has never had a Republican Mayor;
>
> Milwaukee, WI (8th)... since 1908;
>
> Philadelphia, PA (9th)... since 1952;
>
> Newark, NJ (10th)... since 1907.
>
> It is the disadvantaged who habitually elect Democrats,
> yet are still disadvantaged ... hmmm...make you wonder?

Does anymore REALLY need to be said ????????

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Jack_H — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:27:26 -0000

I'm curious. Why has this newspaper deleted the full text Governor Sebelius' racist comments?

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NOMUSLIM — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:14:46 -0000

THE SOCIALIST DEMONCAT GOV. IS SPEWING TYPICAL RACIST GARBAGE.IT IS THE DEMONCATS WHO ARE RACIST.OSAMA IS HALF WHITE BUT HE PORTRAYS HIMSELF AS A BLACK.WHAT HAPPENED TO HIS WHITE HALF? HE HAS DECIDED THAT HE HAS A VICTIMHOOD AS A BLACK.HE CANNOT WIN BECAUSE NON BLACKS CANNOT RELATE TO HIS RACIST RANTS.OSAMA DOES NOT STAND FOR ME OR FOR MOST NORMAL AMERICANS.SIMPLE AS THAT. OSAMA IS SIMPLY AN EMPTY SUIT CREATED BY THE CHICAGO DALEY MACHINE TO SPREAD CHICAGO STYLE SOCIALISM.NOBAMA.

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1911 — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:13:28 -0000

Let me give you just one that's currently in the News, and by the way, I did call it right-You are a democrat, just look at your response.

McCain attempted to rein in the corrupt Fanny Mae/Freddie Mack several years ago but who was the biggest obstructionist, you guessed it, the democrats (Barney Franks, Chuck Schumer, Chris Dodd, etc…), now that's not to say there were no Republicans (or RINO'S as I like to call them) as being part of the problem, but who was the NUMBER ONE benefactor of monies from those Companies, you guessed it, Chris Dodd, did I mention he's a democrat. Now who was the NUMBER TWO benefactor of monies from those Companies, you guessed it, barack obama, and did I mention he’s a democrat too. Do I need to go on & on & on? By the way, that #1 & #2 rating is since 1989 I believe. Chris Dodd has been there for years so it's no huge surprise he's way up there but obama has only been in office for less than 4 years, how many long time Congressmen and Senators did he pass to get that honor, I don't know but maybe you do? Do we see a pattern here, I believe we do.

#1. I love it when you people cannot stand to be called what you are, I am a Conservative and proud of it, why don't you people just come out and tell America what you truly stand for and that's "Liberal" and tell them "honestly" what that means, which includes being a Socialist/Marxist or the extreme being a Communist. If you’re ashamed of being a Liberal then maybe you should rethink your politics.

#2. When you people start losing the argument you start calling the other person names and make lame statements like us being, "absurd."

#3. If the Framers of our Constitution were to come to life today do you think as a whole they'd believe we're following the Document they left us, my opinion is, "no they wouldn't, they’d fall right back into the grave with disbelief."

#4. Get the Government out of our Lives, return the power back to the states as it should be, and then we could move to the State of our choice. If you wanted to live in one that is ran by Liberals you should be grateful for the opportunity to do so, while I’d choose to live in one that’s Conservative, which would make me really happy.

Sticks and stones can break my bones but…never mind. Honest discussions only please.

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rightross — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:55:11 -0000

Punnk,

Your point?

For a Senator or Congressman to "sponsor" a bill does not mean that they authored the bills or even did anything to push the bill through their respective house. It simply means that they put their name on the bill to supposedly give it greater credibility when they vote on it. He may or may not have been given a few minutes on the floor to make a short supportive speech or something like that. It means very little other than to pad a politicians resume' for those who are ignorant enough to think that it really means something.

Obama, being a novice, needed to associate himself with as many bills as possible to give the appearance that he is really working hard and "fighting" for this cause or that cause. In reality, it's bogus. It is done, for the most part, to advance one's political carrier, which is what B. O. is all about. I know this is true of a lot of politicians but, in the brief time he has been in politics, how much of that time has been spent running for a higher public office and how much time has actually been spent doing the job he has been elected to do. I think that the time he has spent campaigning is grossly disproportionate to his work effort, even in relation to other politicians.

Senator McCain has been in the game for a long time and doesn't need any of that pseudo-credibility and knows that "sonsoring" bills authored by othermen is nothing but a bunch of window dressing. That is why he has "sponsored" so many fewer bills. He gains nothing by it. It is worthwhile to "sponsor" a bill to give it credibility for a vote, but it is not a resume's enhancer (or it shouldn't be considered as such).

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antiobammy — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:23:15 -0000

And you leftists STILL don't get it that THIS is EXACTLY what islam intends to do with all of us...eliminate us. This is their entire history if you would care to learn rather than believe the leftist garbage from the lamestream lapdog media. This is what is preached in their schools and mosques if you ever bothered to check it out. This is what is preached in the koran and hadiths if you bothered to read them. If you are content to allow them to kill you then that is fine with me, we can ALWAYS do with fewer leftists. But you REALLY need to take your own advice and learn some FACTS and TRUTH. HINT: you WON'T get it hanging out at the websites and news stations YOU do.

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antiobammy — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:19:40 -0000

Um, you cited COMMUNIST TERRORIST sources. Of COURSE that backs up obammy because THAT's what he is. The fact of the matter is this is a discussion about obammy and his racism and how the dems always play the race card. If you want to interject McCain, go find a thread about him...just a COMMON SENSE suggestion.

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punnk — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:52:53 -0000

Don't kid yourself. I and everyone else here knows you know nothing more about McCain then what you regurgitate from Fox news - if you even have that ability.

Not one person other then myself has cited source for fact.

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punnk — Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:48:30 -0000

I dont even know how to respond to this. If you are really advocating that all Muslims should be eradicated then I think I am ending the conversation here.