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Re: Huckabee Tops GOP Power Rankings, Paul Takes Third

Iowa Health Insurance — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:23:44 -0000

A "sign" of things to come? I live in a small town of about 11,000 people in South East Iowa and have been noticing a trend building over the last few weeks.

Both Clinton and Obama have spoken here in town hall type meetings and I obviously started to notice Clinton and Obama signs popping up in peoples yards. However over the last few weeks I've been noticing Ron Paul signs springing up in yards like wildfire! In fact I would say that the Ron Paul signs now outnumber both Clinton and Obama (and the 1 Mit Romney sign in town, we do after all live right accross the river from Naveou Mormon Town).

I personally didn't believe Ron Paul stood a chance in this election but from what I've been seeing here in my hometown I now have to wonder. Is this a sign of things to come? At least from a grass roots level here it sure looks that way.

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Re: Huckabee Tops GOP Power Rankings, Paul Takes Third

Stephen — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:58:43 -0000

Huckabee surge is Media generated, not grassroots support! The mainstream media is pushing Huckabee not the grassroots voters. Like the man said, after Huck's visit to the C.F.R. he started going up in the rigged National polls that don't even offer Ron Paul as a choice. But they neglect to inform you of that little known fact. The moneyed elite and the military industrial complex war profiteers and big oil are terrified of Ron Paul! They see how he is galvanizing Americans of all ethnic, social, and political backgrounds. They know if he gets in office some heads are gunna roll. Indictments and investigations galore, criminal administrations being held accountable for their betrayal of the American people.

You want to see grassroots support? compare Ron Paul's meetup groups at meetup.com here is the link.

http://ronpaul.meetu...

After that check for yourself how Ron Paul has 10 times the amount of meetup groups and members of all the candidates Democratic or republican combined!

He has a real movement behind him and it grows by nearly 800 new members per day, astounding.

Re: Huckabee Tops GOP Power Rankings, Paul Takes Third

Steve — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:33:22 -0000

Gore? How could someone be fore Ron Paul now and Gore before? Ron Paul is small and hands off, Gore is all about telling us what to do through federal and "world" laws. We would have been even worse off with that nut case.

Re: Huckabee Tops GOP Power Rankings, Paul Takes Third

American007 — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:17:58 -0000

The Beer Vote I know I'm going to catch hell for this, but here goes...

Don't underestimate the power of the "beer vote". People want to vote for nice folks. They want to vote for people who they want to sit down and have a beer with. Huckabee is that guy. He's genial, funny and seems to have a very pleasant personality. He cracks jokes during the debates and isn't afraid to poke fun at himself.

Ron Paul, and the rEVOLution, as far as my limited perception goes, isn't coming across like that. Now, I know presidential politics is serious business--I don't need a lecture on that. I know there are big issues and big problems facing the country. But if you guys would just lighten up a little bit, I think you'd win over more converts than you can imagine. Just look at how much traction Huckabee got out of that silly Chuck Norris commercial and Hillary got out of that commercial with the guy with the sick kid. You can't expect all of America to do it's homework--that's where image comes in. Like Mary Poppins said, "A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down..."

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Frankly, I'm Concerned — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:18:35 -0000

Not So Ron Paul is altogether different.

He doesn't align with the other "Conservatives" or "Republicans". As he says: "They have lost their way." This is exactly how the name, Dr. No, originated.

Your utterances parroting the Main Stream Media's 'spoon-fed' slanderous rhetoric are the same of those who seek to insidiously destroy America by using race and gender division to drive a wedge through America's heart.

Ron Paul does NOT "hate" any of the people you described.

Dr. Paul DOES, however, believe in individual rights - not collective rights.

It's a sad day indeed when people would trade America's freedoms and sovereignty for 'special rights' [big biz as well], by way of discounting a man who wants nothing more than to restore the foundation on which America was founded, the government out of our business, and [big] business out of government!

As for the 90% of other candidates: They are pro-amnesty, pro-illegal immigration [aka: pro-big business profits], pro-war, pro-taxes, pro-WTO, pro-NWO, pro-NAU, CAFTA, NAFTA, SPP, etc [too many to list].

As Senator John McCain said: "He [Ron Paul] is the most honest man in Washington."

Besides, you're missing the bigger picture here.

Ron Paul would actually HELP the poor and the middle classes!

By simply bringing ALL of our troops home from illegal wars and occupation, cutting obviously un-necessary government programs, eliminating the un-constitutional income tax, and cutting foreign aid: He would actually help these classes by eliminating the need to tax us in the first place!!!!!

Does this make too much sense? For some, its simplicity seems too complex.

PS: It is "you people's" contrary & pessimistic thinking that will damn the USA.

EXPECT NOTHING - GET NOTHING.

THANKS FOR NOTHING!

Re: Huckabee Tops GOP Power Rankings, Paul Takes Third

testing — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:23:07 -0000

Ok, how about listing the baffling issues so that we can discuss

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nodope0695 — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 17:08:35 -0000

Huckabee First??? NOT!! How does a man go from ZERO to HERO in only a couple of weeks? The polls are clearly fixed. Hucks being propped up the the powers that be as the other choice because he supports continued war in the middle east. The NeoCons must have their war, and they know Romney and Rudy have no chance, so they've seen to it to fix polls.

Ron Paul will win in Iowa, becasue Iowans love freedom and liberty.

Re: Huckabee Tops GOP Power Rankings, Paul Takes Third

Dean — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 11:38:43 -0000

Paul Supporters I just wanted to let everyone know I am a Paul supporter mainly based on his record and financial views. I do agree with many other ones and disagree with some.

Yes, we do have some abbrasive, nutty, unproffesional, uneducated, and I am sure a few other categories. I would just like to say many of his supporters are just your regular working americans that are tired of the struggle to just barely survive. Many are worried about all types of issues especially the ones that effect them the most on which most of us vote.

I am sure every candidate has their supporters that make them cringe. I think the ones that stand out on Paul's side are a bigger focus for the fact Paul is not exactly on the big business and current establishment's best friends list.

I ask of the readers to not disregard Paul because of some of his extreme supporters, but to actually go out and find facts and history that backs him up. Just because I don't like some of the players on my favorite football team does'nt mean I should just stop liking the team. There are bad apples and different view point in every circle.

I am supporting Paul because I do think this country is on the brink of some horrifying things to come if its not addressed.

Do your own research everyone! If you research and drill for the facts and records then I have no problem with you disagreeing with supporting Paul. This is supposed to be a free country and I will respect those rights to everyone.

In the end all I hope for is a better country and Dr. Paul is the only way I can see that chance happening. (through my eyes of course)

God Bless you all and God Bless America!

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Bill — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 11:09:09 -0000

VERY Distrubing Stuff on Huck Seems Huck did not just release rapist Dumond against the wishes of many, and Dumond went on to rape and murder after being released.

Huck has a habit of freeing a LOT of rapists and murderers.

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Terry Sciavo — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 08:52:22 -0000

oh those nasty republicans Republicans have shown their true colors. They have whole heartedly wrapped their arms around this war with every filibuster of an iraq pullout vote. Ron Paul hates gays, blacks, and latinos. Not to mention the poor. While he is no different than any other republican swine, he WILL prove invaluable to Democrats.

I encourage all of you racist republicans here to continue to support ron paul as he will hopefully garner at least 10% of the "conservative" (aka racist) vote.

PS. Watch what you say about hillary, with the new found executive powers she'll be granted thanks to you sorry people, she'll declare you an enemy non-combatant and make you a non-citizen, ship you down to gitmo and seize your finances and spy on your kids. Thanks Dubya!

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Dirac — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 06:23:22 -0000

Everyone's crazy. He's a libertarian.

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J.C. — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 05:57:51 -0000

Actually, its www.taxhikemike.org - not com

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Dirac — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 05:49:46 -0000

Ron Paul - Least Best Chance for America Sorry, Ron Paul doesn't magically become a good candidate by virtue of the fact that every other candidate sucks. I think I made that pretty clear in my first post and also made it clear that I didn't support a single one of them. Least of evils, maybe. The god that people like you make him out to be? No.

And it's funny that you bring up "what I've heard" considering the number of supposed Ron Paul supporters that I've baffled by bringing up his positions on certain issues. There are a ton of idiots who simply hear that he's anti-war and see that he doesn't bullshit and that's all they need to conclude that they support him. There was a time when that is what made him appeal to me.

Also, if I need credentials to disagree with a candidate then just the same you should need credentials to agree with him. Doesn't make much sense does it.

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Frankly, I'm Concerned — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 05:09:11 -0000

Huckabee Must Be EXPOSED !! Huckabee's popularity can also be atributed to the 'hijacking' of Congressman Ron Paul's stances.

Huckabee, known in his home state as 'Tax-Hike Mike', has now adopted Dr. Paul's stance of abolishing the IRS, and "Treating other countries as we would have them treat us", foreign policy. Neither of which are of his nature.

As an example: He NOW claims to be tough on Illegal Immigration. Proposing a fence, no amnesty, blah blah blah.

His record shows otherwise! His "sleight of hand" on issues is insight of what America can look forward to if elected.

In 2006, he supported President Bush's immigration plan and claimed that opposition to Bush's proposal was driven by "racism or nativism" and that it wasn't amnesty.

As Governor, Huckabee fought for in-state tuition and taxpayer funded scholarships for illegal immigrants. He opposed legislation to require proof of citizenship in order to obtain public benefits and to vote.

He vocally opposed a raid on a factory in Arkansas that employed illegal immigrants. And he led an effort to bring a Mexican Consulate to Arkansas - one of the main functions of the Consulate would be to issue identification cards to Mexicans living, both legally and illegally, in the U.S.!!

MORE!: http://wiki.majority...

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Suzanne — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 02:31:08 -0000

I agree with everything you just said. I just had to say something... I am amazed that you wrote down my thoughts on the matter... even your estimation of the Democratic candidates.

If only everyone could hear Ron Paul's message, perhaps America would receive hope and become the best country in the world to live in again.

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Webber53 — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 01:07:22 -0000

Huckabee's rise in voter polls Mike Huckabee's rise in the polls recently is a direct correlation to Pat Robertson endorsing Rudy Giuliani last month. Huckabee's support numbers were dismal if not anemic before Robertson backed Giuliani. The so-called "Christian right" saw the endorsement as a total flip flop on the part of Robertson who has preached an anti-abortion stance since he began the Christian Coalition movement years ago and then when he endorsed Giuliani who has stated for the record as being Pro-abortion Robertson's followers flocked to the only "Christian" candidate left in the race that is an Anti-abortionist. It wasn't a week after Robertson endorsed Giuliani that Huckabee's numbers surged. To many right wing "Christian" voters it was the straw that broke the camels back as far as supporting Giuliani.

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Robert from Michigan — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 00:01:56 -0000

I've historically voted for democratic candidates - but will vote for Ron Paul I have already requested my republican ballot for the Jan. 15 Democratic primaries. If *any* other republican is the candidate, I will vote Democratic. If Ron Paul is the candidate I will vote for him.

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davepaul — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 22:38:46 -0000

Mr Restore the REPUBLIC

Democracy will be known as the dissappointment of this age. Thomas Jefferson once said that "Democracy is the most vile form of goverment there is". So what happened to our republic and why did we abandon the Constitution and the rule of law?

Western Civilization distinguished itself from the jungle by its law. Law did not begin when William the Conqueror set up his Court. The Norman Kings did establish a system of juriprudence which became known as the English Common law or Common law.

Chief Justice Joseph Story in his 1836 commentaries on the Constitution stated that the "People" came to view the common law as their inheritance and birthright.

The common law has two branches, law and equity. The Constitution limited the judicial power of the United States to "all cases in law and equity". So... where are the common law courts of law and equity today?

If we have common law right inherited from our fathers or inalienable rights given by our creator... where are the common law courts which recognize and protect these right? Where is our INHERITANCE AND BIRTHRIGHT?

A republic is based upon fixed laws which transcend generations and are not alterable by a majority vote or mob rule. A democracy can best be defined as "two wolves and a sheep voting between themselves what shall be for lunch".

I suspect that Jefferson listed democracy as the most vile form of goverment and rated it even worse than a despot monarchy for the reason that: any form of government that protects inocent human life, liberty and property can be called a good government. Any government that does not protect innocent human life, liberty or property is bad goverment. A monarchy can administer government well, and then it can become an evil despot. Democracy can do the same. But you can kill an evil despot when he ceases to do justice. But how do you kill an evil democracy?

A republic limits the powers of government to specific limited and enumerated powers.

Our constitution is only given lip service today. One former Supreme Court justice Thurgood Marshal admitted in a public speech that "although the union survived the civil war, the Consitution did not". Quite a statement for someone who took an oath to support it. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas had a different and probably more accurate opinion at his confirmation hearing. He said that the Consitution survived the civil war, but the Declaration of Independence did not. THE Declaration of independance was written on the premise that rights came from God and were inalienable and did not come from government.

If America is to return to greatness, it must return to the rule of law and re-establish courts of common law, based upon those fixed principles unalterable by majority votes.

Under that system, those that run the federal reserve would be tried for counterfeiting money and enslaving a generation.

Ron Paul is the only candidate telling the truth, and seems to know the way home.

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Koh Choon Lin — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 21:59:24 -0000

Koh Choon Lin Ron Paul for the win!

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The Doctor — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 21:36:06 -0000

If Paul isn't the Republican Nominee... ... I won't vote Democrat. I won't vote Republican (though I have previously for 30 years). I might vote 3d party (if Paul decides to run 3 party). Otherwise, Mickey Mouse gets my vote.

If the Republican Party is so politicized, blind, stupid, amoral, immoral, money-hungry, power-hungry and just bloody pig-ignorant that they'd nominate anyone other than Paul from the current candidate pool, then I am no longer a Republican and they will get what they deserve - a positive THRASHING at the polls.

I am so sick of the status quo, the slow bleeding of my wealth and freedom, I would honestly prefer total social collapse, chaos and even violent overthrow of the government to the slow, painful death the other candidates offer us.

Read the Declaration of Independence. How many of the conditions that resulted in our revolt against King George apply to the current "king George"?

Violent collapse? Wheelbarrow full of dollars needed to buy a loaf of bread?

Perhaps those pushing us into this situation will then get what they so richly deserve... the Nicolae Ceausescu treatment. And the morons who supported them can starve in the streets.

You think life is hard? Just watch what happens if anyone but Ron Paul is elected. Not saying this as a Ron Paul partisan. I've been expecting the end of America within the decade since before he announced. Everything has been going downhill, and it's been accelerating. Four more years of this stuff and America is toast.

Ron Paul is the last, best Hope for America.

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Freedom4AmericaGroup — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 20:30:51 -0000

I can see where you are coming from. I should have been more professional and not called Hillary by a name. As I said I'm NOT a politician and was just having fun.

Looks like I will need to be more professional from now on. But my name calling is like "Mr. Rogers" compared to many other supporters and I do NOT just mean Dr. Paul's supporters either.

Have you taken a look at Mike Huckabee's forum? If that forum is real some of the things in there would actually scare me from looking into Mr. Huckabee if I found that forum from a search.

I know, now I sound like a hypocrite because I just got done telling you that supporters do NOT make the candidate. But telling people that visit the forum they are going to go to hell and that they should just nuke Iran is very scary to me.

Check it out yourself. Maybe you can find out if it is real because if it is not the real forum than somebody should be alerted.

http://www.mikehucka...

I did not mean to offend you and I apologize for doing so. My apology to Hillary Clinton as well as her supporters for using my pet name for her.

ONLY A Doctor WILL HEAL Our Country,

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KingCorran — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 20:05:24 -0000

Also FYI, I will not be checking this forum for a response. I *will* look into Dr. Paul further, so rest easy on my account at least. You can still reply to my points to your hearts content - I'm just saying I won't be bookmarking the article to review them later.

But please. Take my warning to heart, Paul supporters. If your candidate is worth the effort you put into him, then he deserves a good public image. Do what you can to fight for him in a way that is attractive to other people, rather than repulsive. It can be done - one of Huckabee's very strongest points IMHO. Add that to your campaign, and the sky may indeed be the limit.

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KingCorran — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 20:02:56 -0000

... Stuff like this doesn't help.

* Paul the only candidate that will beat Hillary in a general election? I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt via time, but right now that's just not true. Paul may be the only 'name' candidate that would *not* have a chance at beating Hillary today, and the reason why is not any inferiority on Paul's part or superiority on anyone else's part. It's simply a matter of public perception - the first thing that comes to mind when you think of McCain, Huckabee, or a couple others is somewhat position, but deserved or not the 'nutcase' label (as so 'eloquently' stated by an earlier poster ) is what sticks to Paul for now.

* Remember - I may 'believe many of his ideals', as you put it. I also think 'some of his ideas are scary', as I put it. No cop-out here. No need for the label on your part either, I think?

* Name-calling everyone else associated with the GOP doesn't build bridges... it burns them.

* The war in Iraq isn't the only major issue on the table. For many people, it's not even a major issue. Basing an argument on that point alone is a bit sketchy. Claiming it's the only relative point in the upcoming election is wishful thinking (and that, my friend, is a very polite way to describe it).

* Same thing with the power of the dollar. It's important, yes. Claiming that only Ron Paul has the 'Solution' is not only very audacious, but it *sounds* insolent and even a bit 'cultish'. Substance over style, I know... but the issue at hand isn't *just* me and how I will vote. It is how the majority of Americans will see Mr. Paul.

* Speaking of which, Ron Paul's devotees are a major issue here which cannot be minimized. Being bold and in-your-face is good to some extent, but for a candidate like Paul who isn't getting much press time from major outlets, the Average Joe sees what? The supporters (especially on the Internet). Consider yourself an apostle (in Christian-ese terms) for Paul - you may be the only Ron Paul someone ever sees. If you don't represent him well in attitude as well as substance, how can you expect other people to look beyond the surface?

"Now ask yourself this. Do I support the People's candidate or do I not support him because I'm angry at his supporters?"

I'm not angry at all Paul supporters, just mildly disgusted regarding some. And like I said - I'd already consider the guy in a secondary role. Time might change that in a positive direction, but this kind of rhetoric about how Paul is the Ultimate Solution and Everyone Else is Evil and No One Else Can Save The Universe From Darth Hillary (you get the drift, no?) isn't going to be what changes my mind.

And furthermore, it's not going to be what changes anyone else's mind. Which is what you, and Mr. Paul as well, should really be thinking about.

Re: Huckabee Tops GOP Power Rankings, Paul Takes Third

Freedom4AmericaGroup — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 19:51:10 -0000

You have a point JC. If Dr. Paul is not nominated as the Republican candidate then I believe we need to convince him to run under an Independent ticket.

Since we are so well organized I see no reason that we can not raise the funds that he needs to be put onto the ballots of ALL 50 states plus DC.

Of course, I am going to do my BEST to see that he IS the Republican Nominee but just in case they decide to cheat, like they have been known to, we need a back-up plan.

Imagine the looks on the faces of the Neo-Cons from BOTH parties if Dr. Paul WON as an Independent. Like the credit card commercial says "Priceless". lol

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